10th arrondissement

10 rue de joinville 75019 PARIS

What%26#39;s this area like? I posted something a while ago but I can%26#39;t find the thread..so here I am again.

Thanks everyone!

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Hi

I stayed near Place de la Republique (if that is regarded to be in the 10th) a few years back and that was OK. The most important thing in my opinion is to be close to a good metro station in order to get around Paris ;-) I have made this Paris Google map by the way and I have highlighted some places of interest in Paris: http://gardkarlsen.com/paris_france_map.htm . Maybe you can find some useful info there :-)

Regards

Gard

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Yes, that was my first post.

I%26#39;m going to look at these flats on Saturday but I wanted to hear what the experts thought of them beforehand. Thanks! :)

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Thanks Gard for your map! I%26#39;ll be sure to take a look.

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10 rue de joinville 75019 PARIS

It is in the 19th arrondissement, not the 10th (75019 means 19th arrondissement, 75010 means 10th arrondissement).

Here is what the area looks like :

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You can search %26quot;10 rue de joinville, paris%26quot; on Google Maps, too, and click %26quot;street view%26quot;.

I dislike this arrondissement, and the area around this precise address. It is the kind of area where you can find lots of HLM (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HLM).

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What do you mean by %26quot;looking at these flats%26quot;? Are you going to be physically in Paris to look at them? In this case you will have a first hand impression of what the neighborhood is like.

Granted, it%26#39;s a bit out of the way, but in summer it could be nice to be by the water, close to La Villette complex and the MK2 cinemas. And you%26#39;ll have a choice between two métro lines. There might be more central places to be in Paris, but I guess it%26#39;s a matter of price. Safety wise, Fred is a bit over the top, it%26#39;s not South Central.

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I said nothing about safety, RendezVousParis. But actually, that%26#39;s not the safest place in Paris, even though it%26#39;s OK during the day. Over than that, the area is rather unpleasant, unattractive.

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Being from LA, I%26#39;m well aware that no tourists/visitors would be advised to stay in South Central. Still, there are many places here, far from South Central, that wouldn%26#39;t be the best places to stay for those who don%26#39;t know their way around the [greater LA] area. That%26#39;s because areas change from one intersection to the next and over the course of the day. And if you take a wrong turn in an unfamiliar place, you could get lost/confused much more easily (obviously) than one who knows his way around the city. There are many restaurants and stores that I have no second thoughts about frequenting, but they are just not places that I would advise an unaccompanied (without an experienced Angeleno) visitor to seek lodging in. (On the other hand, staying there with a relative who lives there would be an interesting experience of a %26quot;real LA,%26quot; as staying in Malibu would not. Staying in Malibu would be a %26quot;real LA,%26quot; but a different real experience.)

I%26#39;m being long-winded here because I have a question: There must be %26quot;areas%26quot; of Paris like those of LA, correct? (Nothing to describe as over-the-top dangerous, and areas where %26quot;real%26quot; people live and thrive, but areas that may pose discomfort--and, yes, at times even %26quot;danger%26quot;-- for those who are unfamiliar with negotiating the turf.) What are those areas of Paris?

I ask because I get more and more confused by the forums. Is this just a difference of opinion by the poster experts, some more accepting of areas in the 18th/19th than others? One day I can read a post suggesting wandering around the Goutte D%26#39;Or in search of a smoking bar, and the next I can find an article about %26quot;the most dangerous street in Paris,%26quot; Rue Myhra.

Does the %26quot;truth%26quot; lie somewhere in the middle? And is the %26quot;truth%26quot; for the visitor perhaps different from that of the Paris native (or LA native, Philadephia, San Francisco, London, etc.)?

I say this with so much respect to our TA Paris experts--the reason I bring this up is BECAUSE I want to familiarize myself with as much of Paris as I have the opportunity to, and not because I%26#39;m looking for reasons to stay in a little comfortable corner.

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Yes the truth is somewhere in the middle..the 18th (Montmartre) look very sleazy around Place Pigalle and Place Blanche, especially in the evening with the huge bright sex shop signs, but there are no gangs ready to knife people. We stayed at a hotel there once and it was safe even late at night. We even stumbled in a restaurant owned by a charity. The waitresses were actually volunteers and I could tell by their accent, hairstyle etc. (I was born in France)that they were upper middle class yet weren%26#39;t afraid to be in the area late at night.

The back of the hill is where it is really quiet and villagey like.

The Buttes Chaumont area (19th) is also an area with a so-so reputation but walking in the park during the day shows many families and young men that don%26#39;t look like your stereotypical Europeans but are obviously so very ordinary and peaceful. Just East of the park is an area of little single family houses (houses aren%26#39;t very common in Paris) that were originally built for blue collar workers but are now selling over 1 million Euros each. It look and is very peaceful.

West of the Buttes Chaumont one run into rue de Belleville (Edith Piaf was born there. Her mother was an Italian with an Algerian mother). That street is now one of Paris several Chinatowns. Further down the street is called rue du Faubour du Temple and many store owners are from North Africa and the Middle East. Again, it is safe.

Many streets in Paris don%26#39;t look pretty. Narrow, with greyish old buildings, no trees..same as all other old European cities where space as long been at a premium, but they are safe.

I live in Vancouver where everybody is scared of the Dowtown Eastside, where I have worked for over 25 years. I wouldn%26#39;t walk in a back lane there at 2 am... but then I wouldn%26#39;t walk in a back lane at that time in the poshest areas either.. and posh areas do have lot of crime too.

It is practically impossible for anyone on the panel to give a truly objective advice because 1-not a single person-even Paris born-can know every single street as well as his back pocket and 2-there are huge differences in how people judge others.

Quite a few people are afraid of anyone who doesn%26#39;t look and sound exactly like them so, to them, an area with very different looking people is threatening. Let%26#39;s not forget by the way that the average European doesn%26#39;t carry a gun..

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%26lt;%26lt; There must be %26quot;areas%26quot; of Paris like those of LA, correct? %26gt;%26gt; This is absolutely not true and I don%26#39;t believe that there is %26quot;something in the middle%26quot; either. There is no place within the city limits that I would worry a lost tourist would be unsafe as a result of being lost and confused from a wrong turn.

In fact, I%26#39;d argue that the opposite was true. Tourists are probably in the most %26quot;danger%26quot; in highly trafficked tourist areas where parasites are waiting to pick their pockets and the rest.

There are areas that are less charming, and that is what the poster meant when referring to the HLM. And violence can happen. But in Paris the location is much more likely to be random, than in LA where outsiders must proceed with absolute caution in some areas.